Thursday, November 8, 2012

Cardiac Muscles

Hello All,

I have placed two files on the G-drive (or they will be transferred within a day or two) that are the animations for the slow-response and fast-response action potentials for the heart.  They are HTML files, so please open them within a web browser and they should play.

Here are some questions regarding Cardiac Muscles that I have gotten from you.  Same as previously, I have grouped 'like' questions together and provided a single answer.  Questions are in blue, answers in red.  As always, if there are additional questions you have please feel free to comment on this posting or to send them to me individually!

1.  When you have fast-response AP, the last step, phase 4, resting membrane potential is achieved when you have the inward rectifier channels stay open and allow potassium to leave? I looked up what recitifier channels do and it states how they allow positive charges to move inward or into the cells. This make sense grafically, but in the elcture it says potasssium will efflux. I am a bit confused about what exactly is going on the phase 4.

I have a question regarding the fast-response ventricular/atrial muscle AP. During phase 4, if the the inward rectifier K+ channels are open, doesn't that mean that the K+ are coming in?  Please, correct me if I am wrong, because on the slide it says Efflux. But it makes more sense to me that it should be an influx since the current is inward and that it is maintaining the membrane potential. If K+ is moving out, shouldn't it make the cell more negative and thus hyperpolarize rather than depolarize?

As I mentioned in class, the names of these channels seem quite confusing and you would think an inward rectifier channel would be moving ions into the cell.  In the case of the K+ channels, however, K+ is STILL moving down its electrochemical gradient OUT OF the cell thereby repolarizing the membrane potential.  Therefore, the efflux that is stated in the notes and on the slides IS correct.  These channels are named after activities that they perform in experimental situations and are therefore confusing medically.  As I also mentioned in class, your current understanding of the K+ channels being responsible for repolarization and maintaining the resting membrane potential is STILL correct! 

2.  From the lecture slide, it stated that the Na/Ca exchanger takes in Ca and put out Na.  But I thought it is the other way around?

I am unsure where you have seen that.  On slide 24 it has the arrow for Ca2+ moving out of the cell (against its concentration gradient) and Na+ to be moving into the cell (with its concentration gradient), thereby working as a secondary active transporter.

3.  Does the AP from the slow response and the fast response start at the same time?  

They both start at when the membrane hits threshold, if that is what you are asking, but is that at the exact same moment in time?  No.  Remember that in every system, the neurons, skeletal muscles, and the heart muscle cells, that the action potential is the electrical current that travels.  In the heart, that electrical current is initiated at the pacemaking cells (typically the SA nodal cells) and propagates/travels from there to neighboring cells through gap junctions.  Therefore, the depolarization is spread to the next cell which causes it to reach threshold and the action potential to fire.


4.  For excitation-contraction coupling, is it only the cardiac muscle in the myocardium contracting?

Yes.  As Dr. Yin and Dr. Moore have both mentioned, the conducting cells do not have very much of the contractile proteins contained within their cell membrane.  You need actin and myosin in order for contraction to occur, and it is the myocardium that contains the cardiac muscle cells that contain those contractile proteins that, therefore, allow for contraction to occur.

5.  Is it correct to say that for the same afterload, with increasing preload will result in larger/higher shortening velocity (Vmax)?

Yes, that is certainly another way of interpreting that relationship!

6.  So for the heart, is increasing EDV the same as saying increased in preload?  If this is the case then, increasing EDV (increasing preload) will allow the ventricle to overcome the afterload a lot quicker?

Increasing the EDV is indeed the same as increasing the preload.  Increasing the EDV would, therefore, allow the ventricle to contract against a given afterload quicker (similar to what you stated above).  However, it does not allow the ventricle to overcome a greater afterload any quicker, but simply allows the ventricle to produce enough tension to contract against a greater afterload. 

7. How are Slow L type Ca Channels able to open to produce the plateau phase in the fast response Action Potential (since wouldn’t Ca2+’s Nernst potential approximately equal the membrane potential at that stage in the action potential)?

L-type Ca2+ channels are a voltage-gated Ca2+ channel that are initiated to open around the threshold value (same as the voltage-gated Na+ channels and voltage-gated K+ channels that we studied in the neuronal action potentials).  They are slower to open, however, and take awhile to open.  By the time they open the Na+ channels have already opened and inactivated and one type of K+ channel has already opened causing the 'notch phase' of the cardiac muscle action potential.  The equilibrium potential for Ca2+, however, is typically VERY positive (around +100 mV) and at that point in the AP the membrane potential, due to the movement of Na+ into the cell and then some K+ out of the cell, is positive, but not as positive as the equilibrium potential for Ca2+.  Therefore, the electrochemical driving force for Ca2+ at that point is still for Ca2+ to come into the cell.  So, when the L-type Ca2+ channels open, Ca2+ influxes, counteracting the efflux of K+ and that causes the plateau phase.

8. I would like to clarify: are dihydropyridine receptors a type of L-type Ca channel or are they completely interchangable terms? Or am I completely mistaken and they are not related? 

I just had a quick question regarding the dihydropyridine receptor. Is this receptor the actual L-type Calcium or T-type Calcium channel or one of the two or is it a separate entity all by itself?  

L-type Ca2+ channel and dihydropyridine receptors are completely interchangable terms.  There are two different types of Ca2+ channels in the heart that we have discussed, the L-type Ca2+ channel and the T-type Ca2+ channel.  The DHP receptor is another name for the L-type Ca2+ channel and is the SAME CHANNEL as the L-type Ca2+ channel.  Therefore, it would be accurate to alternatively say that there is the T-type Ca2+ channel (present in those cardiac cells that have automaticity), and there is the L-type Ca2+ channel otherwise known as the DHP Receptor that is present in all cardiac cells of the heart.



8 comments:

  1. Since K is only +1 and Ca is +2 does that play a roll in the degree of the slope of the depolarization/plateau curve?

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    1. Not really. What more matters is how many ions are moving back and forth due to how many channels are open. At the basic level, the movement of both molecules in opposite directions causes there to be a net change in membrane potential of very little, so that is why there is a delay in the repolarization or the plateau phase. The amount of charge on each molecule would theoretically make a slight difference, but that does not seem to be the case.

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  2. Hello, I have a question about the force- velocity relationship. Graphically, I understand that an increase in preload will increase the afterload and will also decrease the shortening velocity due to an increase in tension, (please correct me if I am wrong)
    However on a molecular level that does not quite make sense to me. If I increase the length, ie increasing the preload past the normal range of operation of 120ml, i thought that the interactions between myosin and actin will no longer be optimal and will decrease, so now the contraction will less forceful?
    Or is there a threshold? Essentially I am trying to combine the force, velocity, and tension relationships with Starling's Law of the heart.

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    1. Your understanding is not exactly correct. The resting length of the cardiac muscle cells is somewhat 'squished', so that the mysoin and actin are NOT optimally interacting and you have some overlap of the actin filaments. Therefore, when you increase the preload you begin to stretch those cells. This increases passive tension (just as it would for skeletal muscle), but it also increases active tension because you are stretching the sarcomeres into allowing the actin and myosin to be in more optimal alignment with each other. Therefore, an initial filling of the heart stretches the sarcomeres slightly, but an increase in preload stretches the sarcomeres a bit more. That does, however, typically bring the sarcomere into simply more optimal alignment. If, however, you have even more preload to surpass the optimal alighnment, because the passive tension started at a shorter length, the tension due to passive tension then overcomes the decrease in active tension allowing the heart to create enough tension to overcome a greater afterload (or pressure in the aorta).

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  3. I had a question regarding the answer posted above to question 7, where you stated, "By the time they open the Na+ channels have already opened and inactivated and one type of K+ channel has already opened causing the 'notch phase' of the cardiac muscle action potential"

    I was just wondering what exactly the "notch phase" was since I could not find it on the powerpoint or the notes. Is this just the Phase 1 of the fast response action potential where K is starting to efflux?

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    1. I did not specifically name the notch phase in lecture, but I believe it is named in the notes section of the slide that discussed the fast-response action potential. The 'notch phase' is a what is typically called phase 1 of the fast-response action potential, just as the repolarization begins to occur. I apologize for utilizing an unfamiliar term.

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  4. On the Bonus Question: Which phase of the ventricular action potential coincides with diastole?
    A. During depolarization phase
    B. During notch phase
    C. During plateau phase
    D. During the repolarization phase
    E. At rest

    E is the answer but i picked A. Can you explain why? Is it simply because of the Efflux of potassium thus leading to resting potential...but i chose because i was thinking "ventricular filling" ....i am guessing that does not require an depolarization signal?

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    1. Remember that ventricular filling is diastole, and in order to have diastole you need to have no contraction occurring. Also remember (see slide 29 of the cardiac muscle lecture) that the rise in tension (or contraction) of the cardiac muscle coincides quite nicely with the action potential of the cardiac muscle cells. Therefore, all of the phases of the action potential (aside from rest) will cause contraction which is what causes the ventricular ejection to occur. It is during rest, however, that you can allow for blood to fill the ventricles and that would be diastole.

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